Welcome to another episode of Causecasts and today on the show welcome not one, but three amazing guests! Joining us today we have the hosts of The Gifted Life Podcast, Lori Steele, Joey Boudreaux, and Sally Gentry. The podcast is produced by the Louisiana Organ Procurement Agency, or LOPA, and is intended to raise awareness and registration for organ donation. The team have already seen the spread and effect of their work and the reward of saving lives is a huge part of it all. We hear from Sally, Lori and Joey about the process of organ donation and the incredible light that can emerge from tragedy when successful transplants occur. Interestingly, the podcasts is aimed at both donors and receivers, and our guests really try to level the show at a wide ranging and reaching audience. They have already seen engagement all across the world and are delighted to be influencing positive change beyond their local community.
During the episode we hear about the genesis of the podcast and each of guests give their back stories leading up to the formation of the group. We also discuss the content of a podcast aimed at recruiting people to a program and how they are able to continually fill their episodes with relevant information. A large part of the chat is spent reflecting on the gifts that creating this package has bestowed on the hosts, who seem to have really found a meaningful channel through which to work in the world around them. They are open and giving with their advice and ideas and have plenty of sound direction for the up and coming or hopeful podcaster, so stay tuned and get it all!
•How The Gifted Life Podcast was founded from within LOPA. (01:34)
•What drew our guests to the podcast medium in particular. (04:50)
•The reason for an ongoing and continual series of episodes from the organization. (06:16)
•What drew each of our guests to the world of organ donation. (10:28)
•The unlikely heroes of the podcast. (16:23)
•How putting together this podcast has enriched the lives of the hosts. (17:21)
•The international reach of The Gifted Life Podcast. (17:48)
•The two way nature of the benefits that grow out of a podcast with a cause. (21:33)
•Key advice from our guests on starting up a podcast of their own. (23:24)
•How to get involved with Causecasts! (27:28)
•And much more!
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[INTERVIEW] [0:00:50.4] MP: Very excited this week on Causecasts to actually not have just one guest but three guests. Lori Steele, Joey Boudreaux, and Sally Gentry are coming to us from The Gifted Life Podcast. This is a podcast produced by the Louisiana Organ Procurement Agency and what they do is they work to raise awareness and educate people about the wonderful world of organ donation. Lori, Joey and Sally, thank you so much for joining me today on Causecasts.
[0:01:13.8] LS: It’s an honor, thanks for reaching out.
[0:01:16.8] MP: My pleasure. Tell me a little bit, I mean, obviously, you didn’t just want to have a podcast but you work for an important agency, you do important work in the area. What was it that made you decide to take all these knowledge, take all these insight, all this information that the three of you have and deliver to the community through podcasting?
[0:01:34.0] JB: Well Matthew, I’ll give you a little bit of background on what we do just real briefly, we help facilitate and enhance lives through organ tissue and eye donation and it’s so very important that we get the word out so that we can increase the registry, quite frankly, we use a lot of grass roots efforts where we’ll go into civic centers and churches and things like that. It’s very important for us to just raise awareness about organ tissue and eye donation. Actually Troy Perez, who is our producer and our CEO, Kelly Renam, got together one day and tossed around the idea of you know, what else can we do from an innovative standpoint to reach more audiences. To be able to have something available, not just having someone face to face in a grass roots type effort, you know, a civic center, a church or other venue. Of course, Troy being an avid podcast listener himself tossed it to Kelly that what about if we start this? Using this medium, using this avenue to be able to reach more audiences out there and of course, Kelly is very big on innovation, as a matter of fact, it’s one of our pillars at LOPA, we try to create and look for as many avenues from either community standpoint, from a family services standpoint, from a clinical standpoint, to stay on the cutting edge of what’s out there and there wasn’t a donation - organ donation podcast out there at the time. They decide, “Okay, let’s give it a whirl, let’s try the podcasting route,” because that is an avenue that’s been growing as you well know, leaps and bounds over the past five or six years. Of course, we got together, we had a few meetings, kind of a multi-disciplinary approach, we had community represented, we had myself, clinical represented, we had IT represented, family services, hospital development because of course we go regularly into the hospitals and make sure we do a lot of hospital education. We decided, what can we do, what should –we try to sculpt out our – exactly what our audience would be listening to, what our information that will be given in to, is it more of a professional level, for hospital and funeral homes and coroners or is it more for the general audience and we decided to take pretty much a general audience approach. Then, unfortunately for myself, I missed the last one where we decided who was going to be the talent and so I got nominated to do the clinical part. That’s kind of how we started, how we thought about the podcast and then you know, the initial stages of how we got it setup.
[0:04:07.3] LS: Yeah, I think another thing that was crucial was that we wanted to develop something where content was accessible at any time because we are going into those different venues and we want to pull up all these information so we partner with folks from across literally across the world and we talk about donation because no matter what state you're in, what country you’re in, we’re all moving towards the same goal and that’s making life happen, honoring heroes, celebrating lives.
[0:04:29.4] MP: Well I think that’s amazing and I find it so fascinating that you were looking for alternative ways to get that information out there and other than possibly Troy and self-interest of having a job, of producing a podcast and his passion for it. Was there something about specifically audio medium that you thought made this a more effective way to share that content and to tell those stories?
[0:04:50.9] LS: Well, we tried to figure out, based on our data, where people are getting their information. We know that today, a lot of people use their cellphones, right? Also, social media and so, our thought was, is that we can broadcast this content, they can listen to it on their way to work, on their way home from work. We try to get them at about 30 minutes so that they have time to get the meat of what we’re trying to put out there and that we try to inspire, call to action at the end, go out and register, learn the facts. Because sometimes, on our initial talk with someone, they’re just scared to talk about death in general, they’re scared to talk about death and donation and so hopefully once they learn more, they get more familiar with it, they start having these healthy conversations, then we can increase that registry and we can save more lives.
[0:05:34.9] MP: I also find it fascinating that your ultimate goal is to get people more educated, more comfortable with the idea and then to register. Not knowing a ton about this but once people register, I think many people would think, well the battle is done, like they’ve registered and God forbid, if that moment comes then we know we have a source of life for more people to be able to use. You’ve put out, at the time, they were chatting, 86 episodes. What is it that you’re trying to do on a recurring basis? You know, podcast is all about subscribing and tuning in week in, week out or
every other week or whatever that might be. What’s part of the continued conversation that you’re hoping to accomplish doing this as a podcast?
[0:06:16.2] LS: Our main goal is education across the board, you’re right when you say, “Hey, if they signed up, that’s great,” but then we know that if there is a case, we’re going to work with that family and we need them to have conversations at home, we need them to understand brain death, need them to understand the donation process and those kinds of things. It’s education, not only for the community but some of our clinicians as well and all those donor families who are coming out of it and recipients and those waiting, though education was waiting. Education was key for us.
[0:06:44.7] JB: Then another aspect, in addition to the education, especially for the community portion, she touched on the clinical, there’s so much misinformation out there and there’s so much to learn, there are quite a bit of professionals that do listen to the podcast. Physicians, nurses and people that work in healthcare as well as people in the community. Another portion of our podcast, in many segments over those 86, had to do with learning more about the clinical side, understanding brain death, the impact there on donation. Learning more about the ins and outs of organ allocation, which organs can be transplanted tissues and things like that. There was a lot of clinical aspects that we felt was important and then, of course, explaining to the public, the waiting list and how it’s really an anonymous as of right now, believe they’re actually, it’s over 114,000 people who are waiting on a life saving organ and when someone says yes, when someone puts it on their license and we talk to that family and you know, proceed with donation, it’s an immediate life saving gift. The people at the top of the waiting list are generally very sick and oftentimes won’t make it - but the coming weeks are a couple of months. Immediately, they have that second chance of life so we try to explain that to everyone from a clinical standpoint and both from toward the professional realm and the community realm.
[0:08:16.6] SG: We also do follow up with families, post donation and I’ve been with LOPA for 18 years and this was a program that was put together strictly to work with donor families and as it has evolved over time, working with the donor families, speaking with recipients with transplant center staff and I came in later onto the podcast. I’m not quite sure why, Mathew, I’m still wondering but I’m also a mental health professional and they asked me to start doing just a five-minute segment about different mental health issues because as you well know, both physical and mental health go together. A lot of folks don’t want to openly discuss it but when they can hear it in an anonymous sort of way, it’s much easier for them then to access different pieces of information online or through hotlines so that sort of thing. I think that’s another component that’s added to what we do, that’s a little bit separate but still all comes together with everything else.
[0:09:20.7] MP: You literally took the words out of my mouth, Sally, because that was going to be my next question was that it’s not just the decision to become a donor and then the moment either that life is going to be donated or you’re going to be the recipient of that gift but it’s also the ongoing care and mental health that’s associated on both sides. Do you believe that a lot of your listeners, a lot of your engagement comes from people who have both been from the donating family as well as from the receiving family?
[0:09:51.5] SG: I think so and I also believe that some of these folks are probably professionals in the field. You know, there’s a lot of either compassion fatigue or just plain burn out that happens for the folks in the medical communities and I’m hoping that some of them do listen to this – well, specific parts of it if you will, that maybe otherwise they would not be sharing with their coworkers?
[0:10:12.3] MP: Completely understood. How is it that the three of you all got involved with this agency specifically? What was it about wanting to become part of the world that helps to procure and arrange for organ donation that drew you to this work?
[0:10:28.2] LS: Those are interesting stories.
[0:10:29.5] SG: Well, they are. I’ll start with mine first because these other two have much more exciting stories to tell, but, I’ve been in the mental health field for about 35 years and I have worked in the real world out there, doing business and found out that wasn’t all it’s cracked up to be and then I went to work for another not for profit agency many years ago. Then decided, you know, I’d kind of like to do this thing a little bit different and I had worked for a couple of different federal and state and disaster relief and this sort of thing. I had seen an ad in the newspaper looking for somebody that had that sort of experience and I’m thinking, “Well okay, I’ve got it, this is saying that I’d like todo.” Little did I know - and I think it was just listed as LOPA. I thought, I have no idea what LOPA is but, “Hey, I think I can do the job,” and I went ahead and applied for the job, I thought, “Wow, this is really a different venue for me to pursue after being in the mental health field for all these years and not working with death and dying.” I was more in the crisis intervention which I found that worked out very well as time went on. That’s how I kind of got in to it and again, here it is, 18 years later and I think what’s the most rewarding part for me is the fact that I can see and hear in people what a sense of relief as time goes on that donation has given to them and of course, needless to say, the recipients are thrilled because of this second chance at life. Also have some pretty good co-workers too. I want to throw that out.
[0:12:08.2] LS: She’s looking at me, Mathew. I’m glad you answered that ad. I don’t know if I’ve ever heard that. That was a good one. I come from a TV news background and as my family started to grow, I started to realize I didn’t like chasing a story as often as I did prior to that family coming and I said, if I ever got out of news, this was one of the places that I’d like land and the reason why was one of my first stories was covering a donor family that was doing a balloon release. It was for a young man named Justin. Justin fell out of the back of a pickup truck, he hit his head and he saved lives. We didn’t know much about that back in 1997 so I kind of learned with the family. But as I started on my career track, I kind of became like a media liaison for LOPA. I’d like to spread the good news because that was something good that was happening and it was such goodness coming out of such a tragic situation. I was inspired by that and I thought, “Wow, this mom, how tough is she?” Right? I continued on in my news journey, my family continued to grow and I was praying for a change, I needed to be somewhere else. Because news wasn’t the answer for me and I got a call from LOPA, would you consider transitioning out of news and helping us save more lives and that was the easiest answers and here I am today. I get up, I’m inspired, I’m excited, I love to work with the donor families and the recipients. I just see donation as hope and love and just an amazing place to be.
[0:13:39.0] JB: Tough to follow you two guys. I started my career in nursing as a registered nurse. I guess it was 22 years ago and I worked in the emergency room and the critical care units. My intent was to get a masters and go into anesthesia and it was now16 years ago when I saw an opening at LOPA. I had known about it of course through the emergency room and ICU. Also, a close friend of mine was one of the critical care nurses for LOPA. He would tell me quite often, all the things that they were doing that were, you know, I thought was so cool as a nurse to have that type of impact, such an immediate impact from a clinical standpoint that I just couldn’t have, wasn’t able to have in the emergency room. I started with LOPA in 2002 and it hooked me in to be honest because initially I was thinking, clinical, you know, I was a very clinically driven and it was such a different feel echoing with Sally and Lori mentioned. But it was really the impact that I could see on the donor families. I would talk to the families at the worst time of their life and tried to bring some goodness and bring some sense to an otherwise senseless time for them and then at the same time, support them for the next 24 hours or so and at the same time, I was able to use my clinical skills and see the impact that I could make decisions on ventilator settings and treatments of the lungs and treatment of the kidneys and the balance that is there and see the impact or one particular donor maybe saving two to three lives and then saving five to six or seven lives just because of a couple of different things that I did in the process or course of the treatment. So that clearly, once I started seeing just how impactful the job was from a clinical standpoint and the support and the emotional standpoint with the donor families, it connected me and I felt like there was no way I was going to be leaving anytime soon. So kind of that thing that hooks you in and it is very impactful on us. We see the impact that it has on the donor families and a lot of people just think about the recipient side and Sally can attest to this. It is so much about the donor families and the donor family impacts that keeps our staff engaged and wanting to work the next day.
[0:16:09.9] MP: That’s all three very powerful, very touching stories that you have. They have amazing backgrounds. I imagine when you did this all, you were all thinking and expecting to become podcast stars too at the same time, right?
[0:16:23.8] SG:Oh yeah, absolutely.
[0:16:25.8] LS: We still are thinking that so -
[0:16:28.4] JB: Ironically, the one thing that I said when I was interviewed I said I will do all of the cases. I will work as an ICU nurse as much as you guys needed but I cannot speak in public. That is the one thing that I can’t do is speak in public and then what happens later on? I am constantly speaking in public at the physician’s hospitals and now a podcast.
[0:16:49.7] LS: And now he’s on the podcast and Mathew, we have to go back to 2015 to our very first podcast and now it takes us a couple of hours because we feel like we’re a well-oiled machine. Don’t ask Troy, our IT guru but our first day, we were from almost sun up to sun down and we thought, “What did we take on?” But we kept at it. We kept at it, here we are today.
[0:17:11.2] MP: Yeah, so I mean it sounds like not only have you been able to have an immense impact doing the show but it seems like you really clearly enjoy your work but clearly, you enjoyed doing the podcast as well.
[0:17:21.3] LS: Oh I think we’ve become closer because Troy locks us in a tiny room and doesn’t let us go until the podcast are complete but we got to know each other. I learned from it because I listen to Joey, I listen to Sally because I’m concentrating on my volunteers, so I am out in the community working with them and then I get to hear what happens in their world and I’m like, “Oh all of this comes together and it clicks.” All these people from this different walks of life coming together for that one goal and to me, it is just amazing but I love it.
[0:17:48.3] MP: That’s incredible and I know it is - you are supported by LOPA. You do this all for Louisiana but you have a global reach. This isn’t just if you are listening, you have to be in Louisiana. I mean you are talking to anybody in the country, anybody in the world about organ donation and what benefit this could have on so many different people.
[0:18:06.8] JB: It’s funny that you mentioned that because as she was saying just a second ago, I was thinking about the impact that our colleagues, so we go to a lot of conferences and we network with quite a bit of people from across the United States from where you are in New Jersey. I’ve got friends in California and everywhere in between and they talk about our podcast and they talk about the fact that you know some of their donor families listen to it. Some of their staff and the education that it provides even for them. So it is really neat when I am networking with those guys and they are like, “Oh yeah, you are the podcast guy,” and to see that someone in Utah for instance who listens and appreciates it and not only nationally, we have been downloaded quite a bit internationally as well. In fact, Japan who has been trying to improve their process, their organ donation and transplantation process there nationwide. That is our second largest or most downloaded country. And then we have downloads quite a bit in Ghana and Canada and France and Germany and the UK and many others. So it has been something - we were thinking initially LOPA and what can we provide here in Louisiana and then we realized that it was much more broad reaching. So we started including more people who are known internationally in our podcasts.
[0:19:25.8] LS: Relationships are key, we’ve learned that. So we were focusing on what we did here in Louisiana and Sally said, “Well let’s start looking outside at folks who do what I do in other states,” because they serve different populations. So we started exploring that and then we started trying to get those folks on our podcast. They would share it, they would learn but I think I am going to speak for the group and let me know but we actually got a phone call into the podcast when we talked about our reach. We try to cover all sorts of donation, we talked about living donation. We interviewed folks who decided to give just because it was the right thing to do and we have a hotline and we had a message that said, “I was thinking about doing this and I started for information and I was led straight to your podcast and I started listening about these people who gave just because it was the right thing to do and my surgery is scheduled for tomorrow.” And we just thought, “Whoa!” Right? Because we hoped to have that impact and we hoped to make that difference but that was something. So her name is Jennifer, she’s been on the podcast before and we talked to her and we said, “You know what was it?” And she was like, “I just needed information and I needed to hear people talk about it and I needed to hear other people who have gone through it and it worked,” and so that was our hope from many years ago when we sat down thinking. “I think we could reach people,” and so to me, that was validation like, “Okay the information we’re putting out is making a difference. We are saving more lives and making life happen.
[0:20:48.4] MP: Well not only are you, the three of you have fantastic chemistry. Just listening to a couple of episodes of the show and talking to you before we started this interview and within this interview itself, you are very passionate about what you do. You are providing such an amazing resource and something that I think people don’t take time to think about either they just check the box and think whatever or more often probably they don’t check the box and just say, “No.” And they don’t think about how they could be impacting the world but clearly, the three of you are also clairvoyant because you took the words out of my mouth. Again, I was going to ask you what have you gotten from this experience beyond just being able to share that information? And it seems like you are getting as much as you are giving in putting out this content.
[0:21:33.9] SG: Oh absolutely, yes. I think one of the more rewarding things overall for me is I don’t walk away at the end of each day going, “I’m glad that’s over,” I mean you know?
[0:21:45.4] LS: She loves us Mathew.
[0:21:47.3] SG: But you know as far as just the overall interaction, it is a constant difference even though much as the same with donor families and the circumstances of why we are speaking with or to them but there’s a lot of jobs where you go, “Oh man, do I have to go through this one more day?” And I just found that this is just so rewarding. It makes me feel good about what I do and the fact that I know other people or like to believe this that other people are benefiting from hopefully my experience or my skillsets and it makes a big difference.
[0:22:23.5] LS: And I like when our volunteers come either donor family side or recipient side are those waiting and they say, “Oh you know what would be a good topic on the podcast?” And I’m like, “Yes!” I like that because we went from having nothing on the podcast world to these folks saying, “More people need to hear about this.” So we have this content that we try to produce and now we have this list and before we were like, “Uh, what do we talk about next time guys?” But it has been a fun journey. I think we’ve all grown together but yeah, it has made us love our job a little bit more.
[0:22:56.0] MP: And so I mean it’s probably a little bit easier for you to talk about this and it is all part of your day job and what you have been doing for so many years but for somebody else who is thinking about launching a podcast where they are currently producing a podcast and they want to do it for a noble cause like this one, any advice? Any key takeaways? Things that you have learned along the way that makes you more effective or makes it easier for you to open up that mic and be able to help so many people using this medium?
[0:23:24.9] LS: So you need to find a Troy. Troy is our guys here, our guru. He keeps us on track, you won’t hear from him because he didn’t do that but when you hear our podcast, you hear the quality. But I think it was something we were scared about because we were unsure of the unknowns and then after that first podcast, there were so many hours that we spent in there because I think we were trying to have everything be perfect from English to dictation. You know everything and then we said, “You know we just have to be ourselves,” that’s what we came to. I like hanging out with Joey sometimes, let’s not get crazy and Sally. So let’s just be ourselves, goin there and it just became fun and then it became exciting and then if we are out at an event, “Oh this would be a good topic.”
So we have been learning things. We can grab audio on our phones, we can send it to Troy, we have a cool little group now of folks who do it. So it’s scary, it’s tough, learning all the lingo, all Troy for that, the rest of the stuff you can call me, Sally and Joey but just do it. It is fun if you have something to say like this is a great medium to do it.
[0:24:23.4] JB: And if I could interject from someone who wasn’t a TV personality, completely clinical and froze up every time I tried to give a presentation, my advice is it is certainly easier if you are having dialogues and you have two or three people on the podcast doing it on a studio or doing it together. I could tell you from my standpoint, we tried different ways because I actually live two and a half hours away and I have a tight schedule and we were trying to get it done in my office and did certain things and where I couldn’t interact, there is so much you can pick upon obviously with a face to face, with the non-verbal cues and things that for someone like me who is an amateur that was a huge benefit when we decided, “Okay we are going to do it in a studio, this is how we are going to do it every time with this type of format,” that’s actually my two cents from the clinical guy.
[0:25:19.3] SG: I can add to this being an older person that –
[0:25:22.1] LS: How old are you? No, I am kidding.
[0:25:24.2] SG: I am really old, okay? That it has been so much fun, it’s new, it’s different so you don’t have to be a specific age to be involved in a podcast. You can really - whatever your passion might be I think is probably the really defining element that one needs to decide to do something like this.
[0:25:44.5] MP: It is funny because it is the same advice that I think so many podcasters get regardless of what they are trying to do but especially if they are trying to do something that they are truly passionate about and they are doing with such altruistic goals in mind is don’t be afraid to just go out there and do it. That is if you believe in the cause, if you believe in the reason everything else will pretty much come together as long as you know LS: All in its place, yeah.
[0:26:10.9] MP: There is a Troy.
[0:26:12.9] LS: Yeah, there is a Troy. Thank goodness.
[0:26:17.0] MP: Well this has been a fantastic chat. I am so happy I got a chance to chat with the three of you. It is The Gifted Life Podcast. You can find it at thegiftedlife.org or if you check out lopa.org, that is Louisiana Organ Procurement Agency and right there on the front page, you will see a link to their podcast. It is a beautifully done website, all the information is organized nicely. The podcast is available on all the podcasting platforms that you would want to check out. They do a fantastic job, if you are listening to the most recent episode of the time we’re recording, hopefully you speak Spanish because they did a great episode there to make that information available to even wider community. And we are going to be very excited to launch a charity drive to benefit LOPA and to encourage you to just go out there, learn a little bit more and think about checking that box to become an organ donor. And Lori, Joey and Sally I just want to thank you so much for your time and thank you for what you are doing and for joining me here on Causecasts today.
[0:27:15.2] LS: And if we could hop in there Mathew, registerme.org, so if you were inspired to learn about donation, maybe you want to sign up to save more lives, registerme.org. That’s the place you go. Thank you Mathew for checking us out.
[END OF INTERVIEW]
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